Rudd’s latest sorry - to heckled Nelson

Andrew Bolt

Wednesday, February 13, 2008 at 02:58pm
 

So much for reconciliation.

Guess who joined the pack-attack on Opposition Leader Brendan Nelson during his own speech of sorry during this day of “healing”?

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd confirmed in Question Time that his press secretary, Lachlan Harris, and his deputy turned their backs on the giant screen erected at Parliament House when Nelson spoke, which doubtless helped to whip up the happy hate of the crowd.

A disgusting politicisation of an already divisive and politicised event. Rudd said he’s “counselled” his staffers, who will say their own sorry to Nelson.

From some of the response I’ve received, too, it seems an odd fact that those keenest on this “reconciliation” seem quite prone to hatred and abuse.

 


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Just when I think my opinion of Rudd can’t possibly sink any lower, it does.

That sort of behaviour is just plain undemocratic and un-Australian. I predict that when Keith Windschuttle’s second volume of his “Fabrication of Aboriginal History” comes out later this year, these clowns will be burning it in the streets. Not reading it, just torching it without even opening the dust jacket.

We’ve had our National Sorry day. Now how about we start planning a nationwide “**** you, Kevin” Day just under 3 years from now?

Travis (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:19pm)
Frank replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:35pm)

"Change the government and you will change the country”.

John Howard, November 2007

In 2008 Australia is being governed by fools.

scooter replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:41pm)

They were just following Rudds lead.

This is the same thing he did in Parliament.

It is disgraceful behaviour, but monkey see, monkey do.

Alan of Sydney replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:56pm)

Don’t put ideas in their head Travis.

A national “Sorry Day” is on the cards and could become a reality during this term of parliament.

Perhaps even a memorial dedicated somewhere in Canberra - just like say, The War Memorial. Government departmnents to fly the Aboriginal flag every day alongside the real flag. Rudd isn’t finished yet by a long shot! Stay tuned.

February 13th - “National Sorry Day” - maybe even a public holiday.

Don’t forget the Americans have their Martin Luther King Day.....

Rachel replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:47pm)

Actually Alan, we’ve had National Sorry Day now for around 10 years, celebrated every year in May, and celebrated in most schools (mostly primary schools) around the country.  If you’ve got young kids chances are they would’ve done Sorry Day activities at some stage over the past 10 years.

From what I can see, the only thing that will change from hereonin is the date.

Peter replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:04pm)

scooter replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:41pm)
They were just following Rudds lead.

This is the same thing he did in Parliament.

It is disgraceful behaviour, but monkey see, monkey do.

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Well exactly. And he did the disgusting rude act for almost a year, and no media organisation ever asked him why.

Susan replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:42pm)

I can’t help but feel that the people who turned their backs on Nelson, when he was telling some uncomfortable truths, showed how disingenuous they really were.

Bad manners to say the least, but I am old and good manners are a thing of the past.

Truth needs to be redefined it seems to me.

Dr Paul Fidlon replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:43pm)

The attempt by Rudd’s staff to diminish Brendan Nelson today brings to mind Othello’s observation that “Who steals my purse steals trash; ‘tis something, nothing… But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him ...”. Rudd’s staff stole Nelson’s purse—mere trash stolen by trash—but they will never be able to steal his good name, try as they may.

aussie,aussie,aussie replied to Travis
Wed 13 Feb 08 (08:00pm)

I was prepared to listen to Rudd today, though I don’t particularly like him.  Parts of his speech were way out of line - his reference to John Howard, but no reference to State Premiers - his ticking of the boxes - his reference to ‘clenched fists’.  I preferred Brendan Nelson’s speech - much more compassionate, much more informative, not political, but the crowd assembled outside were never going to listen to him.  Those inside the chambers gave the Prime Minister and the Opposition Leader equal applause and the assembled invited guests certainly embraced Nelson.  I suggest those who heard the ceremony, take time to watch it because your opinion will change.
The critics of Nelson could well take a tip from the elder who asked that the opposition leader join the prime minister in a presentation to the speaker, all in the name of sorry.

Talk about division during the ceremony. I heard it on the radio, people were booing him Dr Nelson.
Says it all.

Let’s say sorry for the stolen generation, but now it’s time to dismantle DOC’s because we’re stealing them now in 2008.

Kevin Rudd is the ‘showman’.

jess (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:22pm)
GK replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:53pm)

Serves Nelson right.  Nelson should have had no part in this socialist act.  Nelson should have publicly called this a socialist hoax deliberately designed to undermine our country.  He should have called for proven examples of “Stolen Aboriginals” - and he should have warned KRudd that if Labour could not produce HUNDREDS of examples of Stolen Aboriginals, then the Australian people would be in their right to consider RKrudd’s actions a deliberate fraud requiring criminal investigation of KRudd.  Nelson should have called for a Royal Commission into our media`s deliberate involvement in the fabrication of this hoax, and he should have called for journalists who deliberately and knowingly participated in this hoax to be charged under the same laws -if applicable.

Nelson and the libs got everything they deserved for being stooges instead of being men of principal and honour.

Cedric replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:04pm)

Oh yes GK, blame the reds for this hoax…

ann replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:12pm)

jess - I agree Kevin Rudd is the “Showman”!

I feel for Brendon Nelson - today was an extremely difficult speech for him - bringing together so many different views and opinions on this matter within the Federal Liberal Party was HARD enough - however in achieving this - Nelson had to endure the VERY “MEAN SPIRIT” OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT TURNED THEIR BACKS ON HIM.

What a DISGRACE – However, IT GETS WORSE – Kevin Rudd’s two Media Advisors were also involved in this SNUB???

Is this what Kevin Rudd calls “RECONCILIATION”???

Bill replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:16pm)

Damn right Nelson should have had no part in this day. He is such a divisive character, his speach just made people turn away. The nation can never unite while the current leadership of the coalition parties behave this way.

acs replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (11:26pm)

I just read Nelson’s speech.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/brendan-nelsons-sorry-speech/2008/02/13/1202760366050.html

At first I thought it was a bit inappropriate, but as I read on I came to realize that he said what simply needed to be said to help prevent many Australians with good intentions and good will towards the Indigenous peoples from being totally insulted. He has clealy recognised the capacity for this Apology to be divisive for current and future Australians. That’s statemanship.

I actually think Brendan Nelson’s speech will go down in history as one of the great speeches of our time. He makes it clear that today’s apology cannot be allowed to bring a sense of complaceny when the problems in the Indigenous communities are as bad as ever. Well done Brendan.

I am proud of what happened in our Parliament today!

Bravo Australia!!

Nettie replied to jess
Wed 13 Feb 08 (11:37pm)

Well I was very impressed with Brendan Nelson today.  He was in a difficult position.  Damned if he did and damned if he didn’t.  His speech was well delivered and had a sincerity totally lacking in Kevin Rudd’s lame effort.  I didn’t think he had it in him.

Had Nelson shown a just a bit of common human decency it wouldn’t have happened. He started out OK. Then started rabbiting on about how hard life has been for white people. This guy doesn’t have a brain in his head. He will not win the next election be pandering to the extreme-right. He has just cemented the Liberals Parties reputation as mean, tricky and racist.

Paul of Qld (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:22pm)
Uncle Arthur replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:42pm)

Paul, you have no idea. He agreed with the apology. Allow the decency to express his opinions in his own way.

Wedge politics by Labour. It’s all they know.

alex replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:49pm)

No he is not.

He is gutsy enough to stand up to the truth.

I am not sorry either after reading the facts and evidences of this so called “Stolen Generation”

You will never be half as gutsy as him.

Cedric replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:09pm)

Uncle Arthue, Alex. Get your stories straight lads.

James replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:10pm)

Paul
The heckling and back-turning started as soon as he got up to speak.

This is feel-good-for-a-day politics that just serves to purge white guilt.

I say let them hate. In the tradition of Mark Latham, Labor are great haters. I’d rather it eat them up than others.

The Aboriginal industry turned its back on John Howard and he went from strength to strength for a decade.

Leave them to their celebration of victimhood. I’m moving on.

Futureproof replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:10pm)

Fact; 1, He is a doctor - so must have a brain. 2. Rides motorcycles, so must have the courage. 3. Life was hard for the early settlers.  Australia was eventually going to be discovered and settled.  The aboriginal race would not exist if the settlers of Australia had been Spanish Conquistadors. 4. Since when is telling the truth pandering to the extreme right.

Barry Bones replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:33pm)

Spot on - Brenden Nelson made a vulgar speech with comments like living lives of existential aimlessness. Disgusting !

As for Wilson Tucky who didn’t even have the decency to attend when the Prime Minister gave his speech.... well, that sums up the Liberal Party of 2008. Its a shame Mr Bolt wont comment on Wilson Tucky. Double standards ? You bet !

Lazza replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:09pm)

I am new to this forum and have seen a lot of criticism of Barry Bones.

I now understand why!

How can ONE Liberal Party MP not attending sideshow kev’s hype up SUM UP the LP ?

Surely the leader SUMMED UP the LP’s feelings and the ATTENDANCE of ALL LP MPs bar one SUMMED IT UP !

Little wonder you support the sideshow spruiker.

pete2 replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:16pm)

Truth seems to a little too much for you f---wits from the labor party to understand. Wake up stupid - this was apolitical stunt that was reinforced by Kevin instructing his staffers to cause disruption during nelsons speech. Hang you heads in shame for politicing the event.

Uncle Arthur replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:23pm)

Barry, it’s odd that you don’t comment of the shameless hypocrisy of Labour. Rudd offering bipartisanship, his mates doing everything they can to undermine it. But what else would anyone expect from this mob of ratbags?

Kiwi replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:46pm)

Bones, ya windbag, Tuckey not staying in parliament for what appears to have been, as predicted, a farce, was probably the smartest thing he has done in his time at parliament.

Cedric replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:08pm)

Pete2, I laugh when people like you call me a f---wit, I really do.

Apolitical stunt? How nice of you to say so…

Buster replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:24pm)

Barry Bones, here, have some toilet paper, wipe your chin, you are dribbling s*#t!

Mary replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:50pm)

James in response to Paul talked about Labour being “haters”...sorry but I find some of the comments on this interaction who obviously are not Labour supporters so full of vitriol.  I really do not understand why...???

And let me say that Rudd’s staffers are being publicly required to apologise, regardless of your or my politics, why does that make Rudd’s responsibility.  I am afraid considered logic on both sides is missing from a lot of the interaction…

The level of response worries me - whether it is left wing or right wing - how about a considered thoughtful response rather than vitriol… hmmm

Mister Zed replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (08:30pm)

Pay back’s a bitch aint it Mary. vampire

Alex replied to Paul
Wed 13 Feb 08 (09:37pm)

Cedric,

Yes I know what the facts are.

But even if you don’t know the facts, white people (and I am not white) took black people off for racist reason??? C’mon.

Your are insulting yourself if you believe Australian people were that cruel/racist/whatever you call it.

There must be a reason for it and it was NEVER PROPERLY debated about it.

Barry Bones,

Just shut the heck up. You’ll never be half a gutsy person Brendan Nelson is.

Cedric replied to Paul
Thu 14 Feb 08 (11:30am)

Alex, I was actually talking about the (lack of) continuity in arguments from you and Uncle Aurther. Still I will respond.

OK, we were not racist in the past. Hmmnn, you do not believe in the stolen generation etc, all cool, your opinion I will leave that out and use another glaringly obvious policy.

White Australia anyone?

Oh yeah, we were perfect.

“...Rudd said he’s “counselled” his staffers, who will say their own sorry to Nelson...”

Is it too difficult for Rudd’s yesterday to apologise publicly?

The disgraceful - but nonetheless unsurprising - antics of Rudd’s minions should be publicly admonished by their boss, as was their dipslay of open contempt so public.

Tony Jones was apoplectic with barely contained glee as they made their ‘protest’.

This will no doubt give them and their now guilt-free luvvie mates plenty to talk about at the next Leftard confab.

Jay Santos (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:23pm)
rossco replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:37pm)

Couldn’t agree more Jay, seeing it’s a day for saying “sorry”, I wonder if the PM has one for Brendan Nelson.

Alan of Sydney replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:47pm)

Jay:
Rudd got one thing, and only one thing right:

Today is indeed “Sorry Day” for Australia.

Our courts will be clogged for decades. The Nelson Haters showed us

“They can’t handle the truth!”

I can’t remember a day when I was more angry than today - a day of shame and lies and grovelling and media complicity, unprecedented in my lifetime!

My country! My country!

The Waddler replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:58pm)

"I can’t remember a day when I was more angry than today - a day of shame and lies and grovelling and media complicity, unprecedented in my lifetime!”

Not since November 24, at least. You come across as pretty angry all the time. Lighten up.

Alan of Sydney replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:25pm)

Further to my most above:-

The Sydney Morning Heraldreports:

“An apology to the stolen generation was greeted with thunderous applause at a live broadcast in central Sydney today.

TOMORROW: Sydney Morning Herald souvenir Sorry Day edition.”

Yep. It’s very own Sorry Day edition.

This is hysterical brainwashing that Goebells would admire for it’s universal propagation across all media.

I think our free press has ceased to perform it’s questioning duty and is quickly morphing into the sort of controlled media endured in Russia. And they’re doing it to themslves willingly!

Henry replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:10pm)

This is no pun intended (seriously) ... but 13/02/08 will go down as the “blackest” day in Australian politics.

The whole thing has a stink about that will hang over this country for decades.

Rudd’s greatest shameful legacy.

Kiwi replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:48pm)

"The Waddler” haven’t you received more bannings from this site than David Ryse Jones got in the VFL/AFL?

Susan replied to Jay Santos
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:45pm)

Alan,
good to see your posts as always smile
Totally spot on!

No doubt this was stage managed.

Along with the rest of the show.

curious (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:23pm)

If Howard was involved in such a pathetic stunt the Left would be accusing him of wedge politics.

Think they will be as “outraged” now?

curious (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:25pm)
Barry Bones replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:35pm)

Accross the country, people booed and hissed during Dr Nelson’s speech.

And not without cause. The Liberal party has soiled itself today and will be remembered in the history books for its shameful antics !

Alan of Sydney replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:08pm)

PO Barry.
We’re not in the mood for your TROLL- like provocations today!

Go soak your head over at The Age blogs where you can collectively, in your sublime looney Leftiness, feel happy and superior together.

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BTW Barry - you’ll be delighted to learn that the rude snub to Nelson is leading the news up here and has overshadowed Rudd’s speech completely.

The media are leading their Sorry Day coverage with Rudd apologising to Nelson on behalf of his boneheaded staff.

A spectacular own goal if ever there was one. GOAL!

Barry Bones replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:23pm)

Cheers Privatise Alan Of Sydney. Would that be the news on the ABC ?

I almost feel sorry for you today Privatise Alan Of Sydney, sitting on the outer as the majority of Australians acknowledge the past in an effort of reconsiliation.

The hatred felt deep inside your head must be driving you crazy !

Kiwi replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:51pm)

Barry - across the country, people booed and hissed during Rudd’s speech (not everything that happens appears in the media Barry).

And not without cause. The ALP/Greens alliance has soiled itself today and will be remembered in the history books for its shameful antics !

pete replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:55pm)

Barry Bonehead. The difference between the left and the right has never been more evident. The right sat quietly and respectfully during kevins charade, even if they disagreed, but during Nelsons speech the left acted like scum. The only person disgraced today was kevin Rudd.

Both these aids should be sacked without delay. They acted despicably on what was supposed to be a bi-partisan statements. Brendan Nelson went some way in articulating what half the population is thinking. In fact probably more than half.

Do you and your lefty mates believe that because somebody disagrees they should be silenced? You make me sick.

deric d replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:09pm)

Barry the hate is your head mate but you are too stupid and self-absorbed to understand. Today Barry is indeed a sorry day for many Aboriginal kids. With the country now in the hands of cretins like you the future for these kids is bleak Barry - very bleak! Start praying Barry for salvation day for these kids under compassionate persons like Mal Brough.

Alan of Sydney replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:38pm)

Poor silly Barry asks:
Would that be the news on the ABC ?

Er, no Barry. Your ABC are so busy wiping the drool from their chins and dabbing their cascading eyes they haven’t had time to mention the ignorant back-turning incident.

They were also too busy mixing the sound from the rabble outside with Nelson’s speech inside the chamber to notice..

And please Barry, desist with the inane and ridiculous Privatise Alan of Sydney.

It only confirms what we already know about you and prompts us to have more pity on you. You sad little man.

ann replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:30pm)

Barry Bones – You are despicable!

“Accross the country, people booed and hissed during Dr Nelson’s speech.
And not without cause. The Liberal party has soiled itself today and will be remembered in the history books for its shameful antics !”

Doctor Brendon Nelson told the TRUTH - there will be ‘NO COMPENSATION’ out of the “Sorry Apology” made by Kevin Rudd – TODAY!!!

Which part of the following in Brendon Nelson’s Reply speech – offended You, Barry?

“Sexual abuse of Aboriginal children was found in every one of the 45 Northern Territory communities surveyed for the Little Children are Sacred report. It was the straw breaking the camel’s back, driving the Howard Government’s decision to intervene with a suite of dramatically radical welfare, health and policing initiatives.

The Alice Springs Crown Prosecutor, Nanette Rogers with great courage revealed to the nation in 2006 the case of a four year old girl drowned while being raped by a teenager who had been sniffing petrol. She told us of the two children - one a baby - sexually assaulted by two men while their mothers were off drinking alcohol. Another baby was stabbed by a man trying to kill her mother.

So too, a ten year old girl is gang raped in Aurukun; the offenders going free, barely punished. A boy is raped in another community by other children.

Is this not an emergency, the most disturbing part of it being its endemic nature and Australia’s apparent desensitisation to it?

Yet state governments responsible for delivering services and security resist the extension of a Northern Territory style intervention”

I strongly suggest – You Barry – take a good look at yourself in the MIRROR!!!

How can We as a society allow this to continue!!!

Source:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au//story/0,25197,23206522-5013172,00.html

Ryutin replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (08:03pm)

Barry Bones replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:23pm)

Don’t feel sorry for Alan, Barry.

If he is like me it all went unnoticed, an irrelevancy due to its foolish exaggerations.

Unlike many of the hand wringers, I know how terrible many Aboriginal Missions and communities are and what the do-gooder policy makers have done to exacerbate the problems. The Rudd programs are tokenism anfd chosen for their utility in showing him wanting to DO something/anything (every child in a pre-school - an excuse to do something simple which will take years to have any impact and probably fail yet NOT do the hard yards).

It was Lenin in London to me. It was ‘their apology’, ‘their guilt’.

Gordo replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:00pm)

Poor silly Barry asks:
Would that be the news on the ABC ?

Er, no Barry. Your ABC is so busy wiping the drool from their chins and dabbing their cascading eyes they haven’t had time to mention the ignorant back-turning incident.

They were also too busy mixing the sound from the rabble outside with Nelson’s speech inside the chamber to notice..

And please Barry, desist with the inane and ridiculous Privatise Alan of Sydney.

It only confirms what we already know about you and prompts us to have more pity on you. You sad little man.

A heartless retort AoS - very sad!

The intellect works in the brain my friend but is at home in the heart. Without this balance we end with the extreme views you extol.

Your intelligence therefore has no home, no heart, perhaps you are the true epiphany of the “Stolen Generation” – your heart being stolen by the only thing you pray to – your wallet. True I would suggest of 99% of this disgracefully heartless blog, and even more so of its Brethren’s leader, the black heart Andrew Bolt red face

Bob of Indooroopilly replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:35pm)

"Accross (sic) the country, people booed and hissed during Dr Nelson’s speech.”

Yeah Barry - right on cue!

scott replied to curious
Wed 13 Feb 08 (11:30pm)

Barry B*$tard Bones..Parts of Nelson’s speech may have been better left for another day, politically speaking but everything he said is absolutely true.  Do you have hopes and goals for the future?  Do you have plans?  Well there are many people who less than a century ago were so busy with hunting and fighting for survival that they had no thoughts for tomorrow, no time. Now they have everything hand given to them so they have time to think.  Their education of their culture was never one of self reflection or of future goals so they are living existences without meaning… so drugs, rape, violence, etc.  Nelson was spot but it’s labor’s favorite game to play.. seeing as the most damaging of past policies were labor’s.  Multiculturalism what a joke!!! One country, one culture, one people, whatever their skin color or ethnicity, anything else is racism.

Bolta,you really are clutching at straws here,how on earth is it Rudds fault,if they did it unknown to him,pray tell???And he has had a go at them,so what more can he do??.Let me know when you find the plot you have so obviously lost on this nonissue. confused

Stephen James of Dandenong nth (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:27pm)
Ronald Coleman replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:47pm)

Kevin Rudd claimed his Government would bring more civility and decorum to the Parliament, clearly more empty words!

CharlesM replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:00pm)

It’s krudds fault because the ‘buck stops with him’. Unless you’ve been on Mars the past 14 months, you’d know that nothing [alp] gets passed krudd without his approval. That is a fact, admitted by krudd last year, and means the: ‘buck stops with him’.

James replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:18pm)

Stephen,

I’ve been a ministerial staffer, and if anyone on the conservative side of politics did that they would be out the door - no questions asked. It is unforgiveble for ministerial staff to be party to that sort of action. Any Executive with any guts at all (who didn’t agree with/condone the actions) would give those staff members the boot this afternoon.

But don’t hold your breath.

Mick In The Hills replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:26pm)

Did you happen to catch Chris Uhlmann commentating to Tony Jones on the ABC coverage.
Describing Rudd’s wedge antics on this issue (and full marks to Uhlmann for calling it as such).
Apparently Rudd tried to set Nelson up at the start of the aboriginal ceremony yesterday. Rudd came armed with a pre-written speech, but just as the ceremony was to begin, dropped it on Nelson that he was expected to speak as well.
Couldn’t have given Nelson a heads-up when he ordered his own speech to be written ?
“Mean and tricky” was always Rudd’s exclusive provence.

Troy replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:39pm)

Hang on Stephen. Every time one of John Howards staffers, or any of his ministers or their staffers did something stupid, it was always the former P.M.’s fault according to the left thought police. But of course I tend to forget Chairman Rudd can do no wrong can he? Mind you, it can be hard to make a mistake if you’re not actually governing the country, just pandering to people who no idea.

Roger Jolly replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:07pm)

James; Neither Jane Halton nor Max Moore-Wilton got the sack over the children overboard affair, and that was far more important an issue than one or two individuals clapping their hands.

You’re just being silly.

Sounds like you’re just bitter that you’re no longer a ministerial staffer.....

ron collins replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:10pm)

What more could Rudd do. Well he could appoint more sensible staff - the Prime Minister is living dangerously with staff who don’t know how to behave.

Peter replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:28pm)

Roger Jolly replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:07pm)
James; Neither Jane Halton nor Max Moore-Wilton got the sack over the children overboard affair, and that was far more important an issue than one or two individuals clapping their hands.

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Oh please. Be fair. Compare facts with facts. The individuals today did more than clap, they turned and set a precedent for more to do so. And no-one is talking about sacking them. And the tired old children overboard debate, deliberately sinking a boat is just the same result - the kids go in the water.

deric d replied to Stephen James
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:18pm)

Another day of disgrace for the Labor Party. This is not sorry day this is a day the Labor Party was a disgrace to Australian politics. The divide has been reinforced by this cowardly behaviour. De-Unification Day. How did the electorate vote for this bunch of cretins?

The day when Myth superceded Truth and Myth became “acceptd” History. Sad Day.

his deputy turned their backs

Is that like all your little deputy’s who populate this blog who turned their backs when Rudd spoke?

NC of Melbourne (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:28pm)
Frank replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:40pm)

No NC most of us and our children weren’t watching or listening.

You lefties had it all to yourselves.

Enjoy the next two and a half years- After 2010 there will be another long stint in opposition for labor.

dene74 replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:56pm)

Frank..

easy mate easy.. “born to rule” is a lost cause since november!

Tony replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:58pm)

NC....just another bucket of c**p from your bottomless trough of pigs swill.

MartinX replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:07pm)

Hey, I was riding my motorbike to work at the time. It’s all I can do to avoid the trucks, without turning my back. Except on the wallopers.

And I’m not a deputy, I’m an assistant manager. LOL

NC replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:07pm)

MartinX

Didn’t you mean assistant to the regional manager?

Nemesis12 replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (09:48pm)

I was at work and had more important things to do.

And I am not watching it now...not after I just ate.

We are no one’s “deputies”...we speak for ourselves.

Why is it these trolls always assume someone tells us what to say..and is incapable of understanding the words “we make up our own minds”?

matilda the drovers dog replied to NC
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:30pm)

No James I was too busy working - you know making a living. You do “know” - don’t you? NC? LOL

Andrew - I am TRULY SPEECHLESS!

“Prime Minister Kevin Rudd confirmed in Question Time that his press secretary, Lachlan Harris, and his deputy turned their backs on the giant screen erected at Parliament House when Nelson spoke, which doubtless helped to whip up the happy hate of the crowd”

How can We the Australian People put OUR TRUST in the Rudd Government when the Prime Minister HAS such People VERY close AND advising HIM???

This is A HUGE SCANDAL???

Lachlan Harris and his deputy - they did exactly what they where told to do by their LEADER - Kevin Rudd.

This is Shameful and UNFORGIVABLE!!!

ann of wa (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:30pm)
Dene74 replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:48pm)

ann.. you stated an opinion not fact.. word it as such.. something all you people need to freaking learn!!!

“How can We the Australian People put OUR TRUST in the Rudd Government when the Prime Minister HAS such People VERY close AND advising HIM???”

You had Peter Costello & Tony Abbott for years,.... did you whine then?

RobJ replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:49pm)

"Andrew - I am TRULY SPEECHLESS!”

But you manage to rant anyway.

“This is A HUGE SCANDAL???”

No it’s a minor embarrassment, a huge scandal would be AWB flouting the oil for food program. Your perspective meter appears to be broken.

“How can We the Australian People put OUR TRUST in the Rudd Government when the Prime Minister HAS such People VERY close AND advising HIM???”

Were you bothered that Howard’s ‘advisers’ got things like WMD wrong and Children Overboard wrong? Methinks your mock outrage is a little obvious.

Uncle Arthur replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:19pm)

Dene74 - you should condemn the ignorance of the Labour apparatchiks. The Libs endorsed the apology - that is critical. Now you are upset that they didn’t just photo copy Rudd’s speech and read it out.  Why can’t they express their apology in their own manner? Labour are the world class experts at the wedge.

mike of cnbra replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:36pm)

You know I’m starting to believe that truth is ethereal after all and its starting to leak out of windbags like Rob J.
So WMD and children overboard weren’t lies after all Rob. Good, good. Glad to see you’re recovering.

Rachel replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:43pm)

Well said RobJ, nothing like a little history to get the handwringers back in perspective.  What’s even more of a scandal is the behaviour of liberal MP Chris Pearce actually INSIDE the chamber - there’s something to get outraged about ann.

RobJ replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:17pm)

They were either lies or incompetence, take your pick either way John Howard refused to be accountable. Nobody was sacked or even carpeted for the children overboard scandal so I’m picking they were lies.

Rachel wrote:

“What’s even more of a scandal is the behaviour of liberal MP Chris Pearce actually INSIDE the chamber”

Yes, he was laughing whilst Rudd was speaking about child mortality. Where’s the outrage Andrew Bolt? You bang on in your post about “disgusting politicisation”, why didn’t you mention that?

Pete replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:56pm)

RobJ pal you are a first class idiot. First we are not talking about Howard. We are talking about Rudd and the corner in which he has painted himself into. We are simply applying the principles that kevin has outlined in the past to himself.

First he said the buck stops with him. Second he made the song and dance about this and said it would not be political. Nelson agreed. These senior staffers (probably on kevins instruction) decided to make a political statement and they should be punished.

They have degraded what you lefties will hold as a sacred day. It has been poisoned - just like many of your minds.

The only thing that i can compere is the stupid stunt in Kelly electorate in Sydney where the anti-muslim flyers were handed out. All people involved there were expelled from the party. the same should happen to these two. The taxpayer is probably giving this guy #300,000 per year to teach Kev to be a better lier. They do not deserve to be there.

The double standards that you halfwits apply to situations is astounding. If that happened in the workplace there would be mass walkouts every day. I suppose that is why we conservatives run all private enterprise and do it bloody well while you clowns man the work bench.

Ebby replied to ann
Wed 13 Feb 08 (08:28pm)

Ann of wa.you are spot on what Rudd did today defenetly divided the country.Shame on him.

RobJ replied to ann
Thu 14 Feb 08 (05:48am)

Pete, I was highlighting what an over exaggeration ann’s post was. Straight over your head.

I’m not your pal, nor am I an idiot!

Your post is laced with insults and is hardly a rebuttal.

Quick thought, all looked so ‘feely’ and happy. Remember, most of the attendees on the lawn could be the protestors of the past marches with giant puppets and lefty agendas. The event today, had no protestors from the opposition, That’s why it look so good for Krudd.

kev (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:30pm)
Shelley replied to kev
Wed 13 Feb 08 (09:47pm)

No. I can’t afford the luxury of not working, not looking after the family or the bus fare to the front lawn of Parliament to support anything they do let alone protest it.(location WA)

That’s why I’ve been making my view known here.


Seeing as this is a major leftist cause, history shows that there are 3 things that must hold true:

1) it`s based on lies
2) violence can and will be used to promote it
3) children must be indoctrinated

Think of:
- Global Warming
- Stolen Generations
- Nuclear Disarmament Peace Activists of the 70/80 who wanted us to capitulate to communism and burned effigies of Ronald Regan (who won the cold war for us)
- Anti Iraq war protesters
- Anti-capitalism protesters
- Vietnam war protesters - the “domino” theory turned out to be true.  Had we stayed the course in Vietnam, millions could have been save from communism
- DDT - millions of humans were been killed by malaria to literally save a few thousand eagles.

If it`s a leftist cause you can be sure 1)2)3) hold true....

GK (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:32pm)
Dene74 replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:53pm)

GK

you and a lot of your “righties” need therapy..

Children being indoctrinated?? ITS POLITICS!!! NOT A FREAKING CULT!

my god..

andrew of pearce replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:55pm)

Oh ok, I’ll bite - just how did the domino theory turn out to be true?  Which were the countries that went communist after Vietnam reunified?

mike of cnbra replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:44pm)

Well you set the date for your own convenience Andrew of Pearce. Vietnam reunified was the high water mark of Communism. Now if you asked the question “Which were the countries that went Communist after 1945 you might get a different answer to your question.

MattR replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:57pm)

Children being indoctrinated?? ITS POLITICS!!! NOT A FREAKING CULT!

So why the hell are children being indoctrinated and forced to watch this utter joke? Hmm?

I guess you don’t care what teachers are doing. You agree with it so why would you give a s***.

deric d replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:26pm)

Dene 74 you are an example of indoctrination! Robot.

Jesse replied to GK
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:33pm)

Children being indoctrinated?? ITS POLITICS!!! NOT A FREAKING CULT!

uummmmmm..... mate have you been to a university lecture recently? or a secondary school classroom? How about a Kindergarten?

The indoctrination in these places is just as perverted as that in the Stalins russia or Hitlers Germany.

Think Im overstating the case? go look! Seriously, you might even be surprised.

So this was the purpose of seeking bi-partisan support? To set up the Leader of the Opposition as a figure of hate? Maybe to score some cheap political points. The participants in this disgraceful stunt of snubbing Nelson have turned what was meant to have been the start of reconciliation for all Australians into an even more divided society. And many of the cretins involved are actually proud of their offensive behaviour! The whole incident just makes them the lesser for it.

Bob of Indooroopilly (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:33pm)
RobJ replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:00pm)

"So this was the purpose of seeking bi-partisan support? To set up the Leader of the Opposition as a figure of hate? “

What a ridiculous claim unless of course you have evidence that Rudd wrote Nelson’s speech.

Bob of Indooroopilly replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:04pm)

It wasn’t the speech that set up Nelson RobJ, it was the stunt of encouraging him to make one, with the express aim of having the rabble attack him from the sidelines.

But we all knew that, didn’t we?

Jamie replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:18pm)

RobJ, then please explain why Rudd gave Nelson less than 24 hours to prepare a response to his speech?  He would have known well in advance of his intention to give the floor to Nelson, but he chose to play the old Labor wedge. Don’t give them enough time to formulated a reasoned response.  Classic Labor politics.

Unless you have a different reason why Rudd failed to give Nelson adequate time (when he gave himself all the time in the world to prepare a speech), let’s hear it.

RobJ replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Wed 13 Feb 08 (06:47pm)

Bob, you’re a conspiracy theorist!

“RobJ, then please explain why Rudd gave Nelson less than 24 hours to prepare a response to his speech? “

Why the need to see what Rudd had written? Can’t Nelsons people writegood speeches? (apparently not)

Bob of Indooroopilly replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:16pm)

Ahh RobJ I think you’re getting my comments confused with those from Jamie. But thank-you for calling me a “conspiracy theorist” - I’ve been called a lot of things in my life but not that before. LOL

RobJ replied to Bob of Indooroopilly
Thu 14 Feb 08 (07:44am)

"So this was the purpose of seeking bi-partisan support? To set up the Leader of the Opposition as a figure of hate? “

No confusion Bob, I think you’re behaving like a conspiracy theorist on this one, unless of course you have any real evidence to support your preposterous claim.

Maybe the great Lachlan Harris (for it is he) had seen Rudd turn his back at the despatch box when he was being spoken to as opposition leader.
He no doubt thought that this example of poor manners and breeding is the thing to do when faced by people you don’t agree with.
Still and all, it is childish and petty and indicitive of the style of person attracted to working with Kevin Rudd.

Joe Commuter of Wentworth Falls (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:34pm)

Andrew
I know you’re self esteem can handle it, but I’ve also been astonished by the hatred and vilification in blogs, newspaper letters, talk back radio by those intolerant of what were mainstream views only 3 months ago. To say the left is emboldened is an understatement.

I don’t remember passing through the Looking Glass.

Be assured that there are plenty of people out here in the real world who don’t agree with all these symbolic gestures by Kevin Rudd. The true test will come.

BTW I watched Question Time today. Julia Gillard is a polished performer but Treasurer Swan struggles - and the blowtorch hasn’t even been applied yet. He bellowed ”this government was responsible for sitting on its hands and doing nothing about inflation blah blah blah” while the House broke into laughter. Can’t wait to see some focus on Garrett.

arnie (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:36pm)

I tuned to ABC radio for the event, when Nelson started to tell some home truths, I could hear clapping and I guess, some booing. I subsequently looked at Sky and noted that whilst Nelson spoke in the house, there was no clapping or booing. It therefore seems that the ABC took Nelson’s speech and laced it with the external clapping and booing thereby giving a very false impression that there was great clapping and booing from inside the chamber. What was the ABC trying to tell us? Is anybody surprised by this?

Peter of Sydney (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:37pm)
Troy replied to Peter
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:48pm)

Not suprised at all Peter. Let’s face it, truth isn’t exactly the ABC’s main priority. Not when it gets in the way of their “rightous outrage” laced with a good helping of hysteria.

aussie,aussie,aussie replied to Peter
Thu 14 Feb 08 (09:50am)

The other question is more serious.  Was the ABC aware that this was going to happen?

Whilst we have evidence verifying the racist attitudes of some officials involved in the forced removal of Aboriginal children, fashionably labelled the ‘Stolen Generation’, we can thank journalists like Andrew Bolt for pointing out that similar evidence is lacking to actually prove that these children were systematically removed solely for such racist reasons. Indeed, with his ‘show me 10 stolen children’ challenge, Andrew has cast doubt that any children were removed for this reason and until his challenge is properly answered it simply isn’t appropriate for the nation to apologise for the bigotry of certain past individuals.

Today, however rightly or wrongly, the Sorry was said. It is now incumbent on the government to back up its symbolism and protect the Aboriginal children of the present. I hope that his words today at least achieve the level of reconciliation required to bring Aboriginal leaders to the table. They and the government will need to think straight and work hard if any progress is to be made.

Dminor (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:38pm)
deric d replied to Dminor
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:58pm)

Sadly from today no Aboriginal child will be protected. The primary direction will be towards Compensation. Many court cases in the offing.

bingbing replied to Dminor
Wed 13 Feb 08 (08:02pm)

They (Aboriginal leaders) and the government will need to think straight and work hard if any progress is to be made.

You mean like continuing the intervention in the NT?

Oh wow, I just saw a pixie on the tree outside.

matilda the drovers dog replied to Dminor
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:38pm)

Mate, if I was a lawyer I would offer my services pro bono. It is a no brainer that the flames Rudd has fanned in the cause of wedge politics will lead to compensation. Payment is logical - even Red Kerry said as such to Macklin on the 7.30 Report - Macklin BTW looked like a deer in the spotlight - she is proof that if you hang around long enough you eventually get promoted. LOL

To give Mr Rudd his due:

He has acknowledged that this act was wrong. He has not condoned it.

He has arranged for an apology from the staffers concerned.

Now if someone will say sorry for all the public who were so rude.

Peter o the west (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:39pm)
David Northwest replied to Peter o the west
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:27pm)

Exactly Peter. There are fools all the way up and down the totem pole. I do not beleive Rudd would have condoned this action. In fact i believe our PM should have gone further & sacked these staffers or at least demoted them.

As for Brendon Nelson i believe he was entitled to say what he said in response. I admit i was a little surprised at the detail he went into but in the end i was glad he did. It was a tough, heartfelt balanced response. He should be applauded for his speech.

To those who interjected during the televised event locations, such as in WA, and anyone else who turned their back on the Opposition Leader i think you have disgraced yourself on this significant day. You should all apologise to Brendon Nelson.

As for the people who continue to band together to belittle this day and use it as an excuse to target Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Labor, for those of you who are apparently still in shock since Novemebr 24th, we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

I believe this day will be remembered as a day when some much needed psychological healing began.

matilda the drovers dog replied to Peter o the west
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:42pm)

Gee David - having worked in indigenous communties post the WA govt “sorry” - it didn’t make a lick of difference. Hence I fail to see what this sorry will do - unless it becomes $orry (which I am sure it will). What would tho’ would be additional mental health and other allied health workers, drs etc - and jobs. But hey, if govts encourage people to live in isolation one’s lot is always going to be hard. LOL

aussie,aussie,aussie replied to Peter o the west
Thu 14 Feb 08 (09:55am)

What point is an apolopy - in this case.  The damage has already been done.  You can be sure the media will from now until ever and ever amen use the outside version instead of the inhouse version - which was very moving to the point of Nelson dropping a few tears.

Compensation won’t cripple prosperous nation: Dodson

CANBERRA, February 13, 2008: Aboriginal leader Patrick Dodson has urged the government to follow today’s apology with compensation for the Stolen Generations.

http://www.nit.com.au/breakingNews/story.aspx?id=13997

Indigenous Times. 2008

1.618 (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:42pm)
bingbing replied to 1.618
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:57pm)

Well SNIPme. Didn’t see that one coming.

bingbing replied to 1.618
Wed 13 Feb 08 (10:00pm)

I’m not sure, Andrew/moderators whether you SNIPPED the profanity or actually made it more so LOL.

Image is everything and perception is reality - Rudd shows his true colors.
Is that enough platitudes for lefties to understand?

the Dean of Doonside (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:47pm)

reply to Stephen james

“How on earath is it Rudd’s fault if they did it unknown to him?” I sugges they followed his example. Rudd always turned his back on Howard in parliament when the then PM spoke. (the Labor rabble in turn screached and shouted Howard down - no manners any of them) it appears Rudd has no respect for the high office of PM - except he expects us to laud him now he is PM.

Lindee of Wilson WA (Reply)
Wed 13 Feb 08 (03:50pm)
Dene74 replied to Lindee
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:08pm)

Lindee open the OTHER eye and you will see that ALL sides of politics did and DO that

and as for your brackets.. your ignorance is truly amazing.. AGAIN - Howard/Costello were famous for this

Peter replied to Lindee
Wed 13 Feb 08 (05:12pm)

Dene74 replied to Lindee
Wed 13 Feb 08 (04:08pm)
Lindee open the OTHER eye and you will see that ALL sides of politics did and DO that

------------

Well, that’s an out-and-out lie, Dene. Rudd was disgusting with his swivelling around after asking a question. That is not normal parliamentary behaviour, never has been.

Greg of NE Vic replied to Lindee
Wed 13 Feb 08 (07:52pm)

Would I be right to assume that you were born in 1974, Dene?  If so, how is it that you still act like a school kid?

When did ‘Howard/Costello’ turn their backs on Rudd?  FFS, Rudd did it all the time.  The fact that you are so wrong on this very basic thing probably means that your opinion on anything can safely be regarded as worthless.


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